Are scientists/politicians/activists going to trash the world’s economy with their uncertain AGW claims?

Crap and Tax – A Lobotomy for the United States of America?
By Kevin Klees

“ OK, I’ll start right off by admitting that I am a “Climate Change” Denier, Naysayer, Skeptic, Cynic, Disbeliever, Doubter, Doubting Thomas, Flat Earther, and any other phrases that you might find in your Thesaurus. There, I admit it. Do I feel guilty about the future of the planet? No, not in the least. Why do I reach this decision? Because, as an engineer I have extensive training on the actual limits placed on human activities by the LAWS OF PHYSICS.

For more than a quarter of a century I have tried to design things that violate the LAWS OF PHYSICS. I am ashamed to admit that I HAVE NOT BROKEN ANY OF THEM YET. As an engineer I am in the FRONT LINES fighting the LAWS OF PHYSICS every day. So far the LAWS OF PHYSICS are winning, 99-0.

So, here is one of those NASTY little LAWS OF PHYSICS, it’s called the THIRD LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS. It can make for a really drowsy read, but the simple version states: “IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TRAP HEAT” Yep, that’s it, pretty simple; it means that there is NOTHING NATURE, OR A MAN/WOMAN CAN DO TO TRAP HEAT.

This LAW is demonstrated MILLIONS of times every day. When you put more insulation into the attic of your house, you are SLOWING the flow of heat from inside (umm, warm and toasty) to the outside (ugh, cold and wet). You are NOT TRAPPING HEAT. Ask yourself this simple question; if a Greenhouse can “TRAP HEAT” why is it colder inside one in January than in August? Why can’t you “trap” the heat from August and use it during the whole rest of the year? Because of the THIRD LAW. So, if the THIRD LAW is enforced in manmade greenhouses on the surface of the earth, why is it not enforced in the atmosphere of the earth? Simple answer, it applies equally in all locations.

So you are probably now asking, what’s that whole Lobotomy thing about? Back in the 1930′s and 1940′s there was a “consensus” that lobotomies’ were an effective treatment for mental disorders. Unfortunately, one sibling of a recently deceased US Senator from Massachusetts had this “therapy” applied to her. In fact, the doctor that “perfected” the lobotomy was awarded a Noble prize for his efforts to torture and cripple individual human beings. Of course, it was later determined that the “consensus” was “mistaken”.
Whoops! The next “consensus” will certainly do better, we promise. So are we really ready to perform a Lobotomy on the Economy of the United States of America by passing the CRAP AND TAX bill because a “consensus” is really really sure that: “most” of the (poorly measured) warming is “very likely” caused by human activities ? (UN IPCC statement, paraphrased slightly). Should we commit economic suicide because a “consensus” is sure that MOST of the (poorly measured) warming is VERY LIKELY caused by humans?
It is now eight years since the world started cooling and for eight years now the model predictions have been in the wrong direction.
The only way Hansen can continue his fight against fossil fuels is to now go back to his 1971 model that uses the “particulate parameter” to predict global cooling.
This will serve him well because global cooling is now predicted to last for at least the next two decades so his models for the first time will finally make valid long term predictions, but this will put him on the side of the global warming deniers and put him at odds with the environmentalists who are saving the world from global warming.

The desire to be part of the crowd is the true ongoing driver of climate alarm.
The science isn’t there, never was.”

http://icecap.us/images/uploads/Crap_and_Tax.pdf

William V….. note that I did not write the article. Please be more thorough in your reading.
Daweii and Bloggs….. see above.

5 Responses to “Are scientists/politicians/activists going to trash the world’s economy with their uncertain AGW claims?”

  • William V:

    Your basing your claims on the “Third Law” demonstrates only that you are lying about your “engineering” background. The Third Law of Thermodynamics is the only “third law” that could possibly be relevant (Kepler’s third is about planetary orbits, and Newton’s third is about actions and reactions), and it isn’t relevant. It describes behavior of materials near absolute zero, in particular the impossibility of ever actually reaching absolute zero.

    As a scientist, I am often appalled by the lack of understanding of basic physical principles exhibited by engineers. But, given that you’re so astronomically far off in your evoking natural laws that have nothing to do with the subject, I have to conclude that you aren’t even an engineer. You’re simply using the word to make yourself look “authoritative” to the general population. You may fool some of them, but you’ll never fool a scientist (or even a real engineer). You’ve never had a science, or engineering, course. You certainly never took thermodynamics.

    Global warming is real. Get over it.

  • Dawei:

    Really? You’re denying even the natural greenhouse effect?

    Seriously, really? Aren’t you one of the ones who runs around touting water vapor’s strength as a greenhouse gas?

    Doesn’t it bother you to contradict yourself like this? Do you really think no one notices?

  • J Bloggs:

    Oh dear! Klees have completely misunderstood what people mean by ‘trapped’. Heat is trapped, just not all of it! By trapped, what people mean is that a sizeable portion of the heat which enters the atmosphere stays. This is not at odds with physics, and…

    The third law of thermodynamics has absolutely nothing to do with heat losses in systems! It concerns absolute zero and the inability to reach it!

    Klees seems to be implying that cutting our greenhouse gas emmisions will invariably cripple the economy; although that is the consensus (which I know he so despises), it may well not be the case. It is absurd and illogical to say that a green economy would mean nobody makes any money; people will just make money in slightly different ways; there would be no difference in GDP or the prosperity of individuals. There is plenty of evidence and research which supports this (see sources).

    Klees also claims that there will be global cooling over the next two decades. The institute that found that this may be the case, the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences, also said that they of course knew that overall global warming was still taking place. On top of that bombshell, they also used a climate model that does not include the underwater temperature of the oceans, key to predicting global temperatures…

    Bring on the UK Met Office, who did a similar study, using the very same computer software as the guys who predicted cooling, but *including* the underwater temperature of the oceans…and guess what…they found that there will be warming over the next two decades!

  • Didier Drogba:

    I don’t know what’s possible or impossible.

    I just know what’s happening.

    And what’s not happening.

    And what’s not happening is warming.

    “It has cooled since 1998″ might be misleading.

    “It hasn’t warmed since 1998″ isn’t.

    CO2 levels didn’t stay the same – they went up.

    So temperatures should have gone up too.

  • Starbuck:

    William, you must be a dumb scientist not to realize that this was not BB’s rhetoric but by the author he copied, I believe Kevin Klees. And you had the gall to belittle BB for something everyone but you and Dawei could not see.

    Dawei, the author is correct, greenhouse gases (including the major greenhouse gas of water vapor) do not trap heat (radiation), but simply delays the reentry into space.

    William, I am appalled that you would belittle an engineer, a person who takes science principles and brings them to life. Few scientists would ever do this and therefore you are not a scientist, but rather a liberal alarmist blogger stalker. Hey I love that new name for the alarmists.

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